Hello, I'm Hugo Rifkin, and now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day,

from Donald Trump's lawsuit against the BBC, to the Greens working with Labor, and the jargon

that politicians use all the time, but normal people never do. And with me this morning,

on my joined-up pathway to high potential outcomes, are the mission-led Times columnist Libby Purvis. Hello, Libby.

Hello.

And always fixing the foundations, it's former Times diary writer Patrick Kit. Hello, Patrick.

I try to always speak plain.

Yes. Well, it's...

Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, absolutely. And we will not move on to my own squeezed middle.

The reason I'm talking like this is that the new Britain project has done some research on the language that politicians use.

Across ten focus groups, it was unable to find any real people who use some of the phrases relied upon in Westminster and Whitehall.

The Prime Minister himself, of course, is certainly not adverse to a sound like listen.

Our public services and our economy work for working people, fixing the foundations of our country.

It's the politics of patriotic renewal, rooted in communities, building a better country.

We need to remove all the barriers which hold back the potential of our young people.

Well, just for full transparency, we should make it clear that we have spliced those clips together. We certainly wouldn't want to be accused of editing the words of a politician in a misleading way. More on that sort of thing in a bit. Sticking with the jargon for now, Libby, what do you make of phrases like that? Do they wind you up? Do you even hear them? Do they sort of wash over you like lukewarm rain? Well, Hugo, as a stakeholder and service user going forward at pace, I can't really see a wraparound solution to answering that question in full, but I would just like to say

that as journalists, obviously focus groups don't have any column writers on it.

As journalists, we end up picking them up ourselves and starting to use the same ridiculous things about wraparound solutions and so on.

I say bring back Ken Clark.

You know, this is why Trump succeeds because he uses ordinary words like good, beautiful, biggest, ugly, best, like a toddler does.

Bigly, bigly.

Yeah, I think it's got a, they've got a point.

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