Oh, hey, it's that lady who uploaded two of the same episode last week with an explanation

for you. So there was a glitch or two in the intro of the chronobiology on course. So

we took it down. As soon as we realized it, fixed it and reuploaded it. So just delete

the earlier version and your feed. I hope that clears it up. My bad. Okay. That being said,

the Detroit Allergy episode from a few weeks ago gave you so much context for some of

the things we're going to talk about in this one. But this episode is a stellar standalone

one as well because we have all seen abandoned buildings and eerie photos and empty places

that look almost post-apocalyptic. And we've all wondered how a house or a place could go

so unloved. Who owns it? What's the deal? So I wanted to do this episode for years because

abandoned houses are fascinating. But also I stumbled across this Allergy and I found

the leader of this field is based in East Lansing, Michigan. He got his undergrad and

his master's in resource development and a PhD in education and community development.

And he's now the director of the Michigan State University's Center for Community Economic

Development. He's also a member of faculty at the Urban and Regional Planning Program.

He has 30 years of experience in distressed communities and properties. He studies and

teaches about equitable development and sustainable revitalization. This is a cool dude. I loved

him before I even met him. And I happened to be in Dearborn filming for Innovation Nation

a few months back. And before my flight home, I raced safely the 90 or so miles to his

office in East Lansing to find he has the warmest and most welcoming presence. He's got

an easy smile and long silver hair tied back at a low pony. And he was bearing gifts

in the form of educational pamphlets and recycled rubber coasters. And he led me to a conference

room. We sat down to chat about everything from ruins to things he's found in vacant

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