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and civil debate on American politics and policy.

I'm Trey Orndorf, a political scientist at Oklahoma Christian University, and I'm joined,

as always, by Ken Katkin, a professor of law at Chase Law School. Welcome back to the show, Ken.

Oh, it's great to be back, Trey. You know, it's always a lot of fun to do the show, but before we get

started, I do want to note that Mike is still doing a bonus series for the politics guys that comes out on Wednesday, where he hosts a show with six Northern Kentucky University students, and they're doing a podcast on the election.

And it's a pretty cool deal.

It's really neat that he gets to do it.

And that is available to everyone.

So if you,

if it's listeners,

if you haven't had a chance to check it out,

every Wednesday,

we have this bonus election show.

And that is for all listeners,

not just our supporters,

although we continue for our Patreon supporters

to have a bonus show as Mike and I will be releasing in just a moment.

So Ken, I think the biggest story for me, and you know, we've talked about this before the

show went live, is the Department of Justice's intervention into the Carroll, New York defamation lawsuit against

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