Hey friend, welcome to another episode of Java with Julie. I'm Julie Slaughter, your host, and this podcast is a production of authentic intimacy, which is a ministry, helping people make sense of God and sexuality. Well, today we are headed into some territory that I think will be interesting for people and also a little controversial.

We're going to talk about modesty, but not in the way that you think we are.

We're not going to talk about Daisy Dukes or spaghetti straps or anything like that.

We're going to talk about the concept of modesty, which I think is a lot broader than we usually talk about it.

And to flesh this out, I have invited, again, Hannah, to be with me. So Hannah, thanks so much for being here. Anytime, Julie. You know, what's funny, though, when I showed up, I got the email of we're talking about modesty and I just had a couple bullet points under it. And I said to you, I don't think we should call this modesty. Yeah. And you said, exactly. I don't know what to call it. You were like, I want to rework the definition of modesty. But if someone who grew up in Christian school, I have a very specific definition of modesty. And I was like, I don't think this is what we're talking about. No, it's not. But I like that you want to widen the understanding.

I do.

Yeah, I think that's a lot of what God has taught me through the journey of authentic

intimacy is so often we take a topic and we want to debate rules.

We want to be like...

Julie, we love rules.

We love a very defined box and a yes or no. Yes, we do. And we love to fight over the rules.

And I think that's a lot of what has happened with this conversation of modesty. But what we want to

do instead is like blow up the conversation and say, this is a whole lot deeper and broader than

we've been defining it as. And actually,

I think this applies. We're going to talk about it in reference to women, but it applies to

guys as well. This is an episode that I hope people are going to want to share with their friends

and maybe start some conversations. And speaking of that, if you love this podcast, and let me just ask you if you'd be willing to go to your podcast app and just rate and review it because that is a way that other people find this podcast.

So that's a way you can help us out.

And you could say, man, love the modesty episode.

The quote unquote modesty episode that wasn't really like about modesty.

Okay, so you want to, in your own words, blow up the conversation on modesty.

Yes.

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