I remember Lucy saying very early on in her sobriety, she would be out somewhere or going for a walk

and she'd suddenly say, oh, really fancy a red wine. Was that your choice? Was it red wine? It was red wine.

It was red wine always, yeah I'd be like god really because

I was further along the track wasn't really a very good thing to say to my new sober

was it really no wonder I was worried about you all the time are you all right thoughtful of me

was it no but we're just saying like that does happen doesn't it what I could do with a drink

bit can you um no actually Lucy we're just saying like that does happen doesn't it? What I could do with a drink, Vic? Can you?

No, actually, Lucy.

I'm four years sober, so I think you might need to read a few more books.

Yeah, so Lucy used to say that she needed a drink.

And I remember like that feeling in early sobriety.

Like things would set me off,

make me go, oh, I wouldn't mind a glass of wine or I wouldn't mind a nice cold beer. But those

things have faded for me over the time. And now I feel a sense of relief when I have those feelings.

So if I get that moment when there's a beautiful sunset or something, a time where I would have

reached for an

alcoholic drink. Instead of me feeling triggered now, as I said, four years into my sobriety,

I actually feel a sense of total relief, which is how this, you know, changes throughout your

sobriety, your attitude changes and your mindset changes. And, you know, you did used to say that,

but you wouldn't say that anymore, would you? No, I wouldn't. And I remember when we were first

talking about me coming up to my one year and you said, is there any, you know, is there any chance

that you would start again? And if you did, why would it be? And I knew straight away. It was like

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