This is CBS by In The World. I'm John Bachelors. The leaks, the story of a 21-year-old

airman in Cape Cod having access to critical intelligence real-time near to about Ukraine,

about the plans of the People's Republic of China's surveillance balloons. How did it happen?

How is that access developed and why does it exist to allow a 21-year-old to pass around

photographs of documents to his pals to impress them? I welcome Patrick Tucker, the

technology editor of Defense One, and he's going to introduce us into the joint worldwide

intelligence communications system called J.W. ICS J. Wicks. Patrick, I'm very good even

to you. J. Wicks was the way in for the airman. What is it? And how does it work? Good evening

to you. Good evening. So, yeah, there's a lot of people that are obviously very upset by

this leak, which happens for a couple of reasons. The biggest one is that the US military just

classifies too much stuff, but another one is this question of access. So we know that this kid,

Tixiria, was with the Air National Guard's 102nd Intelligence Wing. So we basically worked in

IT, he was an IT maintainer. And yes, as such, had access to J.W. Wicks, which is the giant network

of basically internet for pinning on secrets. I talked to one Defense Department official who

works in insider threat detection, very much mitigating, and hopefully predicting instances

like this and then cleaning up the aftermath after things come out. And he likened J.W. Wicks to

basically a big hotel. So if you have some classification, just generic access, then you can

get to the aspects of the hotel that are public, you know, quote unquote, like the pool or the bar,

or the lobby, things like that. You need only very rudimentary access, but you can't get into

the individual rooms. It's that's metered down on a need to know basis. So not everybody in the world

has access to everything that has clearance that has some sort of secret or top secret clearance can

get into all of the secret or top secret stuff. And less, you are a maintainer. So then you have to

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