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The Emotionally Healthy Leader Podcast

Do the Work Before the Work

The Emotionally Healthy Leader Podcast

Pete Scazzero

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.8698 Ratings

🗓️ 9 December 2025

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of the Emotionally Healthy Leader Podcast, Pete Scazzero challenges pastors and leaders with a simple yet radical invitation: "Do the work before the work." This is more than a productivity principle. It's a call to integrity—where your outer leadership flows from your inner life with God. Through a compelling reflection on Jesus' own rhythms of solitude, limits, and Spirit-led decisions, Pete explores how the greatest threat to your leadership may not be your church, your st...

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0:00.0

Hi, my name is Pete Cousero. I want to welcome you today to the Emotionally Healthy Leader

0:12.5

Podcast. Great to be with you. Our topic today is do the work before you work. Doing the work

0:19.4

before you work. Now, we have many sayings in emotionally healthy

0:23.6

discipleship. It's been called Skadaroisms that have developed over the last 30 years. Things

0:28.6

like be before you do or Jesus may live in your heart but grandpa's in your bones.

0:34.6

Emotional health and spiritual maturity are inseparable. It's not possible to be spiritually

0:38.6

mature while remaining emotionally immature. Or God's will often comes disguised in the gift of limits.

0:47.6

And a list goes on. But another one I believe now is that I've been thinking about for quite a long

0:53.4

time is this phrase, do the work

0:55.3

before the work. Doing the work before the work, which is the title of this podcast. It's very

1:00.2

difficult for us to slow down and pause enough to do the work before the work, all kinds of work.

1:06.2

In other words, that we're living the same on the outside that we actually are in the inside,

1:10.7

that we're congruent, and we're not being same on the outside that we actually are in the inside, that we're

1:11.0

congruent, and we're not being influenced by other people's expectations of us or projections

1:17.4

of us. And so we lead from a place deeply from the inside out. We're anchored in the father

1:22.5

because we've done the work before the work. So today I want to bring you into that what this all

1:26.9

means and tell it to you

1:28.5

in a kind of a slanted way by not just looking at the life of Jesus, which we'll do just in a few

1:34.0

moment because he's always our model, but actually looking at an ancient poem from ancient China

1:39.0

called the woodcarver. So in Jesus, we see this congruency. He's someone who does the work,

1:46.3

internal work, with the father before he does his external work. So, for example, we see him,

1:52.2

he goes out into the wilderness for 40 days. He's led by the spirit. And he's doing all's

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