In 1968, five black girls were picked up by police

after running away from a reform school in Mount Meg's Alabama.

I'm writer and reporter Josie Defi Rice,

and in a new podcast, I investigate the abuse

that thousands of black children suffered

at the Alabama Industrial School for Negro Children

and how those five girls changed everything.

Listen to Unreformed on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts.

So welcome back to Outway. Today I have a pretty cool guest with me. His name is Matt

Stramberg, and the reason he's pretty cool is because I know him from grad school.

Matt and I went to Columbia together. I believe we have the same

major, right? You were nutrition and exercise physiology or just exercise physiology.

I was both as well. You were both as well. Right. I transitioned a little bit later,

so I think I got to know you at the later part of my graduate career.

Anyway, Matt is brilliant and has always been. He's always kind of in the

person in class who speaks up and says the thing that you know kind of goes against me.

Not alert, but also like very confidently will really look at the literature

and come up with your own opinions, which can go against the grain, especially in a classroom

setting when we're being taught. So I always looked to you for the answers and definitely made

the class a little bit more fun. So I'm excited to be talking to you today.

Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to be here.

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