I think if you ask somebody, tell me what your goal is in life.

And you said, I would like to live a quiet and peaceful life, godly and dignified in every way.

Most college ministries are going to tell you, it wrong.

Oh, I would probably have said, like, you need to change the world.

Yeah.

But who's to say that living that quiet, peaceful life, godly and dignified in every way, isn't a major influence in changing the world?

So I'm holding a little book in front of me that has a maze on the front.

Did you try to do the maze?

Yeah. Last night I thought, I've just got to keep working at it. You can't get out. You can't even get in. Seriously, you notice that? You can't get to the center and you can't from the center get it. And the title of the book is Impossible Christianity. That's a great visual. Yeah, it is. Because it feels like Christianity can be the same way. I think a lot of people feel like that. I'm not going to pursue that. It's impossible. Nobody can live that life out. Yeah, fortunately, we've got the author here who'll tell us what this all means. Kevin DeYoung, welcome back to Family Life Today. Thanks. Great to be with you. And sorry about the maze. But that was purposeful. Was that your idea? I don't know. I think probably

someone at Crossway, they went through some different cover iterations and said, ah, that's,

that's great, a maze that has no way out. Yeah. Because that's not what Christianity is supposed

to feel like. Well, and the subtitle is, why following Jesus does not mean you have to-

Are you ready for this? Keep going. Yeah. Change the world.

Be an expert in everything.

Except spiritual failure.

And feel miserable pretty much all of the times.

What a great subtitle.

Walk us through.

I know you're going through this with your staff.

Yeah.

So when you start presenting this kind of stuff to your staff and other people...

As a pastor.

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