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Here's your host, Emmy Award winning journalist Joel Waldman.

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Welcome to another episode of Surviving the Survivor.

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I didn't have coffee, but I had a protein shake with caffeine in it.

And so I'm probably going to be a little nutty tonight.

And I apologize in advance.

It's not called milk.

It's called MOLK.

You guys may know Jocko Willenick.

He's a famous Navy SEAL.

And now making a killing, selling protein shakes to idiots like like me and I just gave the guy a free plug

but uh jaco maybe you should advertise on the show we will see um we uh this is not mev moans

uh doing this is my doing uh we have four best guests tonight not three um because uh I was, I don't know, not thinking, but these are four amazing guests.

So I was happy to see all four pop on the screen.

One is a new one.

But this is a very interesting, very compelling story that I am personally, once again, fascinated fascinated with, uh, Lauren and McKenzie says it

right here. What a fantastic, uh, panel. And look at this boho hobo. I've not seen her in, uh,

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