And the Hi, I am Bill Crystal. Welcome back to Conversations. I'm very pleased to be

joined again today by Diana Schaub, Professor of Political Science at Loyola University in Baltimore, visiting

this term, and we're speaking, one week before the election, which we're putting out

of our minds for an hour, which is good, one week before the election is late October of

20 teaching this term at Harvard actually teaching a course on African American

political thought and which we're going to discuss one particular thinker,

Booker T Washington.

We've done a conversation on Frederick Douglas,

which I highly recommend, also went on Abraham Lincoln,

and which was supposed to be on three of his speeches,

and we only covered two, so we need to get back to that too Diana so but for now Booker T Washington so

why don't we just he's not as well known is Frederick Douglas

let alone Abraham Lincoln.

So say a word about who Booker T. Washington was and why it's worth having a conversation

about him.

Yeah, he's not as well known.

There was a time when he was as well known.

He was the most famous African American in the United States and in the world for decades.

But he's, yeah, fallen into forgetting, brought about quite deliberately in the

20th century by attacks on him but I think it's

really time to recover both you know his life and and his teachings. So the life

was a remarkable one. He's born into slavery. He didn't

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