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Restore The Glory Podcast

Desire (Part 2) w/ Dr. Shane Owens

Restore The Glory Podcast

Jake Khym

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.9 • 971 Ratings

🗓️ 29 October 2025

⏱️ 63 minutes

🔗️ Recording | iTunes | RSS

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Summary

This week, Jake and Bob welcome Dr. Shane Owens to explore how desire, the heart, and theology work together for our good, through the lens of St. Augustine's Confessions. Dr. Owens breaks down St. Augustine's healing journey and how by understanding the desires motivating our actions, we are led into deeper communion with God. They also discuss how memories shape our view of reality, why we distrust a good God, and what the Scriptures teach us about our identity.

 

Key Points:

  • Our desires ultimately point us towards God
  • Sin is a result of misdirecting our desires towards something that is not God. It is an attempt to counterfeit the beautiful 
  • Memory is dynamic, not static, and returning to our heart to examine our memories plays an important role in forming our identity and facilitating healing.
  • St. Augustine's willingness to be vulnerable in his "Confessions" is a model for vulnerability and understanding our desires.
  • Scripture helps us recognize true beauty and reveals our true identity
  • There will always be a tension between our desires and satisfying those desires. Healing and maturation occurs when we listen to our desires but wait for true fulfillment in God rather than settling for counterfeits. 

 

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Chapters:

00:00 Introduction

02:56 St. Augustine's Healing Journey

13:52 Connecting Desire, the Heart, and Theology

26:02 Every Sin is Counterfeit Beauty

35:05 Why We Distrust A Good God

43:06 Allowing Desire to Guide Even When We Aren't Satisfied

48:05 Memory Shapes How We Perceive Reality

58:05 Restoring the Glory Through Childlike Trust

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to Restore the Glory podcast. My name is Jake Kim. And I'm Bob Schutz.

0:09.7

We're two former Catholic therapists exploring the journey of healing through the integration of faith and psychology.

0:16.0

And whether you're new to the podcast or you've been with us for a while, we're delighted you're here.

0:20.8

All right, Bob. Let's dive in. new to the podcast or you've been with us for a while. We're delighted you're here.

0:22.3

All right, Bob. Let's dive in.

0:30.8

Hey, Bob's good to be with you again. I'm really excited because we have our second episode here on our series on Desire and we have asked literally my neighbor to join us, but this is the unique part about where I live now.

0:40.9

Let me introduce my neighbor to you through his bio.

0:46.0

So we are welcoming to the show here, Dr. Shane Owens, who's a professor of theology at Franciscan University,

0:53.1

who specializes in biblical

0:54.8

theology, ecclesiology, and the work of St. Augustine. He has a book he wrote in 2025 called

1:02.0

Return to the Heart, the biblical spirituality of St. Augustine's confessions. You can get that

1:06.8

through Emmaus Road. And he, in the book, invites readers to renewed encounter with God through

1:11.3

Augustin's spiritual journey. He resides in Steubenville, about seven or so houses down for me,

1:17.6

with his wife Esther and their two children and one on the way. So, Dr. Shane Owen, Shane,

1:23.7

thanks so much for being with us. Welcome.

1:26.1

Jake, Bob, it's awesome to be with you. It's funny that I, you know, I actually had to go further away from Jake to find a place to record this episode.

1:35.6

That's so good. So, Shane, I have to say that I've started working for the university and I get to see you in all these various meetings and settings.

1:45.8

And just on one level, thank you so much for your generosity as a faculty member.

1:50.4

You guys do so much. And then you go that extra mile with all these extra things.

1:54.8

I hear so many incredible things about what you do. I've witnessed it.

1:59.3

But something that's really cool. You spoke at the

2:01.4

conferences this summer. My son, Judah, worked at all of the conferences, and he said he appreciated

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