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Design matters will be back next week with new episodes.

In the meantime, we wanted to play this interview from June of 2019.

This is Design Matters with Debbie Milman from Design Observer.com.

On this episode, Debbie talks with Tuglo

about experimental digital projects that are

pushing the boundaries of tech and art.

I mean this is very much the principle with all of my projects is like just

draw a line and sound and put a flag there and then at least people might come

over and look at the line and go what's the flag for? Here's Debbie. T-glow is a designer with a swanky

official title. She's the creative director for Google's Creative Lab in

Sydney Australia, but in the fluid world of design and technology Creative Lab in Sydney, Australia.

But in the fluid world of design and technology, titles don't really tell you much about

what the people behind them actually do or who they are.

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