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In the meantime we wanted to replay Debbie's interview from 2019 with Lisa Taddio. You know what she said to me was, hey you know what she said to me was hey you know what so yeah he likes to

watch me have sex with other people but he does a lot for me and like so what you

know and it makes her feel weird but if she at any point said I don't

want to do this anymore he wouldn't leave her or get angry because part of her

likes it too. This is Design Matters with Debbie Millman.

For 15 years, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative people about what they do,

how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode, Debbie talks with writer Lisa Taddio about sex and desire.

That's how sex differs from desire with desire. You're kind of you fall in love with yourself in a way

as opposed to just having this physical feeling.

Here's Debbie.

Lisa Taddio, a two-time pushcart prize winning author, wanted to write a book about desire but quickly decided

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