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Design Matters is on summer break and will return with new interviews this fall.

In the meantime, we're playing some archival episodes.

This one with Simon Sinac is from November 2015.

This is Design Matters with Debbie Mill Millman from design observer.com.

This is the 10th anniversary of the podcast,

10 years of designers and other creative types talking about what they do.

They got to be who they are and what they're thinking about on this podcast,

it'll be Milman talks with Simon Sinac about the fruits of good leadership. To see your team achieve more than

they thought they were capable of, that they will advance the organization further than

you even imagine because they believe and they're grateful and they're inspired, it's all worth

all the sacrifices. It always is.

Here's Debbie Mumma.

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