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Design Matters is on summer break and will return with new interviews this fall.

In the meantime, we're playing some archival episodes.

This one with Thomas Kale is from October 2017.

This is Design Matters with Debbie Millman from design observer.com.

For 13 years now, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other

creative types about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about.

On this podcast, Debbie Millman talks with the director of Hamilton, Thomas Kale, about his career and about the joys of collaboration. I learned not only how much bigger the

world was than my little group of friends but there were people that were going to make

things that I would never be able to make and I welcomed that. Here's Debbie Millman. You could say that directing a musical is a form of design and the materials are music, lyrics and human performers. Thomas Kale has directed some of the most memorable

musical theater experiences of our time including In The Heights and

Hamilton. His collaborations with Lynn Manuel Miranda are now the stuff of legend, as are the

shows he's created on his own. He joins me to talk about his extraordinary life and career, Thomas Cal

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