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Design Matters is on summer break and will return with new interviews this fall.

In the meantime, we're playing some archival episodes.

This one with Esther Perrell is from October 2017.

This is Design Matters with Debbie Millman from design observer.com.

For 13 years now, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other

creative types about what they do, how they got to be who they are and what they're thinking about.

On this podcast, it'd be Millman talks with therapist and author Esther Perrell about marriage, polyamory, and adultery.

Many affairs, if they were not discovered

and they were left alone, they would die a natural death.

Here's Debbie Millman. Ten years ago, Esther Perrell took a big turn in her career.

She was a psychotherapist known for her clinical work with intercultural and interfaith couples.

She has since turned her attention to relationships and sex.

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