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Design matters is on summer break and will return with new interviews this fall.

In the meantime, we're playing some archival episodes.

This one with Aaron Draplin is from November 2012.

This is Design Matters with Debbie Millman from Design Observer.com.

On this program, Debbie Millman talks with Aaron Draplin,

about setting up his own shop and about making money as a designer.

It's a weird pursuit for loot and loot and

whatever you want to call it because I'm trying to earn now

while I'm hungry, well I love it,

while I'm the phone's ringing, because how much do you need to live?

Here's Debbie Milma.

If you went to a diner and saw Aaron Draplin, you probably think, trucker.

He's got the car hearts, the sweatshirt, the baseball cap.

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