Every day, something happens.

If you had asked me a week ago how it's going, I wouldn't have known that I had to figure out a way to get Don Lemon out of jail the next day.

Hi, everyone, from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network.

This is on with Kara Swisher, and I'm Kara Swisher.

President Trump makes no secret about having a long list of enemies.

And for people targeted by his administration, there's one lawyer that everyone seems to have on speed dial, Abby Lowell.

Lowell is a longtime Washington defense attorney who's represented both Republicans and Democrats.

During Trump's first term, he even provided legal counsel to Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner.

But in the last year, Lowell has dedicated himself to representing people who've opposed the Trump

administration.

Clients like New York Attorney General, Letitia James, Federal Reserve Governor, Lisa Cook,

Trump's former national security advisor, John Bolton, and now independent journalist, Don Lemon.

Here he is talking about Lemon's case on MS Now a few days ago.

This is an administration that's not just willing to trample on the Bill of Rights.

They're eager to do it.

It's a warning sign. And if we can't rely on those Bill of Rights to protect you and Don and others who give us the news or lawyers who come up and defend you when you do that, then we're in a lot more trouble that the average person believes. I think it's really important to talk someone like Abby, who I met a million years ago as a reporter for the Washington Post. And the idea

of lawyers standing up to Trump is a really important thing. And a lot of them have, but a lot of

law firms have acquiesced. And Abby has set out on his own. And what he's doing is critically

important going forward as some of the big law firms more concerned with their moneymaking, bend the knee.

All right, let's go to my conversation with Abby Lowell.

Our expert question comes from New York Times investigative reporter Jody Cantor,

who covers the Supreme Court.

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