I'm Claire Fallon and I'm Emma Gray and this is Love to See It, an obsessively detailed

recap podcast about the bachelor and other pop culture that makes us laugh, cry and curse

the patriarchy. We can't live with these shows and we can't live without them, but we

can break down every juicy moment and unpack all the weird messages these shows send us

about love, sex and dating.

Welcome to Love to See It, a podcast where we get a real in-depth lesson on how to watch

reality TV like a sociologist. Reality TV is a cultural product and just like any other

cultural product, it can tell us so much about ourselves, our social roles and expectations,

our values and the narratives we tell about ourselves and about each other. And we've

really tried to watch these shows critically and there are a lot of ways to do that, but

one way which we wanted to explore in-depth this week is through a sociological lens which

helps us see what these shows and all their messy glory reflect and reveal about our society.

Yeah, it's a real like zoom out framework. So today we're talking to Danielle J. Lindeman

and associate professor of sociology at Lehigh University about her fascinating new book,

True Story, What Reality TV Says About Us. Welcome Danielle, thanks so much for joining us.

Thanks for having me, I'm so excited. Emma is a sociology major, so she kind of dabbled

in sociology a little bit before. To me a lot of this was Brands Bank & New, very fresh information,

what a wild ride. I was just getting really excited every time I saw Judith Butler name

draw because that was really like my jam in college a million years ago now, but like I

read a lot of Judith Butler because I took a lot of gender courses. So I teach a lot of gender

courses. Fantastic, so I had a lot of Judith Butler. Did any, so I was asking you before,

did any of the sociological terms like did you remember them? Did you pull them from the recesses

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