I'm Claire Fallon and I'm Emma Gray and this is Love to See It, an obsessively detailed

recap podcast about the bachelor and other pop culture that makes us laugh, cry and curse

the patriarchy. We can't live with these shows and we can't live without them, but we

can break down every juicy moment and unpack all the weird messages these shows send us

about love, sex and dating.

Welcome to Love to See It, a podcast about whether Clayton Eckerd could fall in love

with four women? No, I mean, surely not. It really doesn't sound possible, unless

maybe it is. It could be possible? I don't know, this week, the bachelor visits four

hometowns, he faces down spiders, bears, shrimping, 80-foot plunges and of course a dad

who wants us to know that he will put a guy in the hospital for upsetting his daughter.

It's a lot. Here to join us today to talk through all of this excitement is Friend of

the Pod and Star of Mr. Mayor, which is coming back for season two in two weeks. Vella

LaValle, thank you so much for joining us, Vella. Yay, thanks for letting me back on.

We're always so thrilled to have you. We're so excited. This is a treat and frankly, it's

a treat of an episode and the first time I found myself kind of enjoying Clayton. So,

say it for Clayton. I kind of feel the same. Yeah, I was, I was into him this episode.

It wasn't like, it wasn't deep cringe. It's really positive. I feel like for Clayton's

journey. We all had the same reaction.

So I'm like, okay, so it's not just me. What did they do differently that Clayton didn't

seem so off-putting? In fact, seem like someone you might want to hang out with in this episode.

We're going to have to dig into this. Yeah, I don't know. Do you think it was because

he was because he was meeting on these families. He just kind of had to listen and then he

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