I'm Claire Fallon and I'm Emma Gray and this is Love to See It, an obsessively detailed

recap podcast about the bachelor and other pop culture that makes us laugh, cry and curse

the patriarchy. We can't live with these shows and we can't live without them, but we

can break down every juicy moment and unpack all the weird messages these shows send us

about love, sex and dating.

Welcome to Love to See It, a podcast about ethics and TV psychotherapy.

Someone has to be thinking about the ethics here because absolutely no one involved with

last night's episode of the bachelor was.

Yeah, that it has to be us. We're stepping in. It's episode seven of Clayton's quest

for a wife and the last week before hometown. So obviously he had to spend his last group

date using couples therapy as like a tool for comparing his different options. Plus he

had to handle some more conflict in the house, shower one lucky lady with designer outfits

and lubricants and wear some more zip-ups under blazers, just all the classic bachelor

things, the classic Clayton things. And this week to discuss it all and potentially to

defend Clayton. We are joined by the hilarious Darren Carp host of people TV's reality

check. Darren, thank you for joining us even though you are a Clayton defender. Okay,

it'll be good to have your perspective. Well, I love you both. Good to see both. We love

you. I cannot wait to psychotherapize our relationship, our thruppledum in this. Will

we be going to couples therapy and will it be filmed and then broadcast to millions of

people? That's the only way to do psychotherapy. I was a nervous entrepreneur. I know how this

works. So please do not denigrate my degree. And then secondly, I just want to go on the

record, Emma, because you said that I would defend Clayton fair and I may, but I'm not

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