Hello everyone, this is Moderate Rebels. I'm Ben Norton. My co-host, Max Blumenthal,

just helped lead a live stream with Daniel Dumbrell. If you know Daniel, he's a brilliant guy,

he's a Canadian who's been living in China for over a decade, and he is also a YouTuber.

He's got a really interesting channel and a podcaster.

We talked about what life is really like inside China, and Daniel went through a series of Western media myths and just systematically debunked them.

We're talking about the new Cold War.

It's an issue that in moderate rebels we address a lot,

but in this episode, we're going to be talking with someone

who actually knows China very well,

who has lived there for over a decade, who has a family there.

As you will probably see, and you'll hear in this episode, when we did the live stream, I was having

very bad internet issues.

Sometimes the internet in Nicaragua is not great, but I think Max did a great job of hosting

this interview, and we divided it into two parts.

So without further ado, here is part one of our interview

with Daniel Dumbro.

I'll never apologize for the United States of America.

Ever.

I don't care what the facts are.

Why are we going to sit down and talk to these quote-unquote moderate rebels?

Who are the truly moderate rebels? The search for the moderate rebel.

Do these moderate rebels exist?

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