All right, Jordan, we are live, which that sounded very awkward for me to say because my name is Jordan. Your name is Jordan and

Man first and foremost, I just really want to say huge thank you for coming on and doing this and the reason I say that is because

Very few people I ever talked to and and maybe have a disagreement with are willing enough to come on and have a public debate

It's like very few people are willing to do that and just literally the other day someone they called me out on social media, which is fine

But they never they never spoke to me first they never came to me to talk and I love how you came on my page

You were like you disagreed with me, which is fine

And I love that and then when I asked you if you'd want to hop on and have a call you were immediately like yes

Absolutely, let's do it and I respect that a lot because if nothing else even if at the end of this

We don't come to a point of consensus or agreement then at least the people listening to this will be able to make their own decisions

And I think that's the best part of it

Yeah, and I really do appreciate me you have me on I've been following you for a while

You're a king in the fitness industry, and I really do appreciate a lot of stuff you do

I'm sure we'll probably hit on some points this this last post is something that's kind of

Something that kind of resonates at home with me and I have maybe a little bit more experience with you with the actual subject and the calories

So I feel like

This would be a good topic to talk about and I really appreciate you too as well for having me on for the debate

Of course, man, it's it's a pleasure and and basically so what I want to do is I just I'm a big big believer in

in definitions and clarifying things just because I think without clarification is it's easy to go off track

So the point of this debate this discussion is not for me to prove you wrong or for you to prove me wrong

What I really want to do here is I want to find

Where we agree? I want to find the points we agree on and then from that

Maybe find out the areas which we disagree on and see if we can come to a

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