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The Good Fight

David Autor on the Scars That Money Can’t Heal

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.7963 Ratings

🗓️ 31 March 2026

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Yascha Mounk and David Autor discuss how policy failures made trade disruption worse—and why we're still making the same mistakes. David Autor is the Daniel (1972) and Gail Rubinfeld Professor in the MIT Department of Economics, codirector of the NBER Labor Studies Program and the James M. and Cathleen D. Stone Center on Inequality and Shaping the Future of Work. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and David Autor discuss whether the economic pessimism of the 2010s was justified, what lessons we failed to learn from the China trade shock, and how artificial intelligence will reshape the American job market. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following ⁠⁠this link on your phone⁠⁠. Email: leonora.barclay@persuasion.community Podcast production by Jack Shields and Leonora Barclay. Connect with us! ⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠Apple⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠Google⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠@Yascha_Mounk⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠@JoinPersuasion⁠⁠ YouTube: ⁠⁠Yascha Mounk⁠⁠, ⁠⁠Persuasion⁠⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Springs blooming at Starbucks.

0:03.0

A new season calls for new discoveries,

0:06.0

like our iced Ube-Vinilla Machilate.

0:09.0

Smooth, creamy and nutty, balanced with notes of vanilla.

0:13.0

It's a treat for the ice too,

0:15.0

with vibrant lilac hues to brighten your spring mood.

0:18.0

Hot or iced, there are so many ways to love this stunning salve.

0:23.8

Uber Vanilla, pouring now at Starbucks.

0:27.5

Subject to availability while stocks last.

0:30.3

So I give you a simple answer to the question,

0:31.7

have we learned anything?

0:32.6

And the answer is no.

0:33.9

I mean, our political system has learned nothing.

0:37.4

In fact, to the degrees, learn anything, it's learned the wrong lessons.

0:40.3

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

0:49.3

Today's conversation is all about the past, present and future of work.

0:57.0

What kinds of opportunities are available to average people in the job market today?

1:03.0

Was the economic pessimism which characterized public discourse in the 2010s, assuming that returns

1:09.0

to labor were going to be much lower than returns to capital justified,

1:13.6

or were we actually overly pessimistic in our reading of that situation?

1:21.0

Has the China shock, the shock from China entering the World Trade Organization,

1:26.2

lastingly led to economic carnage in the American Midwest,

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