Data Centers Are a Climate Enemy w/ Ketan Joshi
Tech Won't Save Us
Paris Marx
4.8 • 701 Ratings
🗓️ 27 November 2025
⏱️ 59 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | That's not how a moon short works, man. |
| 0:01.9 | Like, you have to, you build a rocket and you go to the moon, |
| 0:04.9 | but they are flying very specifically away from the moon. |
| 0:08.4 | It's not like they've kind of made a few bad decisions along the way, |
| 0:11.1 | and they're roughly on track, but a little bit off course. |
| 0:14.4 | They built a rocket and flew in exactly the wrong direction. |
| 0:33.8 | Yeah. direction. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us made in partnership with The Nation |
| 0:36.6 | Magazine. I'm your host, Paris Marks, and this week my guest is Katan Joshi. Katan is a climate writer and data analyst based in Oslo, working with climate and environmental groups. As I record this, COP 30, the big international climate conference, is wrapping up. We will see what comes out of it. I personally don't have a lot of faith in these kinds of conferences, but maybe it'll help set us on the right path. |
| 0:57.9 | We'll see. |
| 0:58.5 | Anyway, I figured given what is going on, it's probably a good time to talk about a climate issue that is very directly related to the types of things that we regularly talk about on this show. |
| 1:08.7 | And that is, of course, data centers. |
| 1:11.2 | And Katan has been following very closely the recent data coming out on the high energy |
| 1:16.6 | demand of data centers, how they're contributing to growing energy demand around the world, |
| 1:21.3 | and how that contributes to the amount of fossil fuels that we're collectively using, |
| 1:25.9 | the fossil fuel infrastructure that is being built |
| 1:28.0 | out as a result, and of course how that causes increased emissions, which contribute to the climate |
| 1:34.2 | crisis that is making the world warmer, that is making natural disasters worse, and causing |
| 1:39.3 | a whole number of effects in every different corner of the planet. And so in this conversation, we discuss many |
| 1:45.9 | different aspects of what is going on with the climate impact of data centers, whether that is |
| 1:51.4 | the increased emissions and energy use, whether that is the greenwashing campaigns that we're seeing |
| 1:56.6 | out of the major tech companies, and how that is related to things that we have seen from the |
| 2:01.3 | fossil fuel industry in the past, not to mention the growing relationships between these major |
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