When it is a European company, one benefit would be that it is easier to enforce European law in that case,

but at the same time we're rolling back European regulation.

The tech we get comes with the very same issues we know already from the US.

Thank you. US. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us made in partnership with The Nation

Magazine.

I'm your host, Paris Marks, and this week my guest is Aline Blankertz.

Aline is a co-founder of structural integrity, a group working on radical digital policy and data

regulation.

Throughout this year, we have been talking a lot about digital sovereignty, about countries

trying to reduce their dependence on U.S. technology and how that is actually going, right?

Whether there is progress to be made here, what this might actually look like in practice.

And I figured as we're getting close to the end of the year, it might be good to look in at how

that is going in the European Union in particular because, you know, it's such a massive block.

It has, I would say, a significant ability to actually move forward on these things if it were serious about it, but also where we see a framing of digital sovereignty by groups that are

closer to power, that are influenced by major corporations there, that probably doesn't align with

the way that we would be thinking about

digital sovereignty as many of the listeners of this podcast, and certainly of me in particular.

So I figured it would be a good idea to have Aline back on the show. Of course, she was on the show

earlier this year to discuss what we have actually been seeing in the European Union on tech policy over

this year as there has been pressure from Donald Trump and the United States, as there has been

this push to expand digital sovereignty to get more serious about this, and what that has actually

looked like on the political level, right, on the policies that governments are taking.

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