Teal believes we're headed toward a massive scapegoating of some kind.

And he has a terror that Silicon Valley billionaires are going to be the scapegoats.

Probably because they're not actually the scapegoats, they actually are to blame for a lot of our problems today.

And what he's trying to do is manipulate or manufacture a case for placing the blame elsewhere.

Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us, made in partnership with The Nation magazine.

I'm your host, Paris Marx, and this week my guest is Gil Duran.

Gil writes the Nerd Reich newsletter and is currently working on his first book, which is called The Nerd Reich, Silicon Valley Fascism and the War on Global Democracy.

I believe it will come out later this year.

Gill is also a former opinion editor at the Sacramento Bee, an editorial page editor for the San

Francisco Examiner.

Now, as you've probably heard, Peter Thiel likes to talk about the Antichrist, and he gave

a series of lectures earlier this year in September, I believe, where he, I guess,

discussed his ideas for the Antichrist, what it is, the significance that it has for us today,

and of course how it fits into his broader fascist political project and how he is trying to use

this concept to basically advance his political aims,

to protect his power, to increase his power, and that of his other Silicon Valley billionaire friends.

I wanted to talk about this at the time, but I figured it might be best to wait to see how things

percolate after he gave those lectures so that we can discuss the bigger picture and actually

understand what he's trying to do here, how this fits into the broader Silicon Valley project,

and Gil is great at giving that insight because he has been looking into the ideologies of

these Silicon Valley billionaires for quite some time. So through this conversation,

we don't just discuss the lectures that Peter Thiel gave, but we connect it to ideas from people

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