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Hi everybody. Welcome back to Binchotopia. I'm Julia Hava and I'm so excited that Michaela Oakland is here with me today. Hi! It's me. Oh my god, I feel like it's been so long. Yeah. You first came into the Bynchopia universe through the most amazing episode that you did on Simps. You're in a different place now. You're not in a place of simp anymore. Not in the same way.

I have a real job now. Which is crazy because now I won't be financially affected if I get

canceled. That's a crazy situation to be in. I haven't experienced that like ever. I don't think.

I was like one of the first guests on Binchotopia. I think you were the first guest on Bynchopia. Oh my God. Who remembers? Like who was there? Well, you were also one of the first fans of Bynchopia that was like a famous person. I was a, to me. Oh, to me, you were really famous. That's so crazy because it never felt like that. Well, I know it doesn't feel like that, but like I had followed she rates dogs when I was in college.

I had followed you just generally. We're like almost exactly the same age, I think, right? Yeah, I'm 28. Wow, it's crazy to be 28. I know. I know. I'm excited to be 30. Being 28, like the last time we were recording, we were probably 23. Yeah. Yeah. We were in very different places.

We were in very different places.

That was like midst of the pandemic.

That year was not a great year. That year created a year in which both of us were celibate. I was celibate for a year and a half after we went to the melting pot. The melting pot induced my celibacy. I went to melting pot and I got dumped. So beware. You don't know the impact that

the melting pot can have. Actually, though, it was good though, because now I have a boyfriend who really loves me. It's much better now. Yeah. But it was a bad year though. It was a bad year. I wasn't a good year for you either, was it? Probably not. Was it the melting pot that caused it? Or was the melting pot, which showed us the truth? I think that the melting pot to me is tied to very good

experiences. I always went on my birthdays. I can't put it on that. But I, so I think actually the melting pot brings forth what you need. It's like moldivite. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you might not want this, but the melting pot is going to bring it to you.

Yeah.

We were both in a place of celibacy after the melting pot, but that was that was what started my it was a check in point for sure. It was a check in point. And I think people like, people might not know about your original thing, which I mean, your original thing was Michaela Oakland on Twitter. But then you had this account called She Rates Dogs.

It's true.

Which was so important for the moment. Yeah, the dogs being

men because there was a account called We Rate Dogs that was about rating actual dogs. You would

collect the worst things that men had really ever said to people, usually on dating apps.

Not always the worst, though, because sometimes the worst was just depressing. It had to sort of be unique and like a little funny. But you also had a podcast called She Writes Dogs. Yes, with my best friend Matt. And he passed away the year before melting pot. So we can't put it on there. We can't put it. No, that was not the melting pot's fault. But love Matt. He brought you into a really beautiful part of your life. I do feel like that's true. Yeah. When did you stop posting on She Rates Dogs? Because I feel like even before the podcast ended, you were kind of like losing, there was this moment in time, because I was part of this moment in time where women were really like, we hate men so much. Yeah. We despise men. I had this series called The Worst Things Men Have Ever Said to me.

I would similarly kind of collect crazy things that men would say and put them in memes.

And then there was a point where it just got kind of like tiring.

Like it was sad.

I agree.

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