Hey, friends, welcome to the Natasha Crane podcast.

This week, I am celebrating the one-year anniversary of the release of my book, When Culture

Hates You, persevering for the Common Good as Christians in a hostile public square.

And I could think of no better guest to have on to talk about

some of these questions of cultural hostility than my good friend Frank Turk who wrote the forward

to the book. So in today's conversation, we talk about a whole lot of things that have happened in the

last year since the book came out. It's been a rough year in a lot of ways, especially for Frank,

for reasons that we'll get

into in this episode. But the truth remains that Jesus said his disciples would be hated by the

world. And there are good reasons for that. There are spiritual reasons for that. And we're going to get

into all of that today. I want to say that if you listen to this conversation

and you think, you know, I really need to better understand

how my faith should inform my politics,

how my faith should inform how I engage in the public square,

then I really encourage you to get a copy of my book

When Culture Hates You, because it will walk you

systematically through all these questions that

we're talking about today. It talks about the biblical principles. It talks about government. It

talks about civics. It talks about history. It talks about everything that you need to know in order

to advocate for the common good in today's world. So I encourage you to get a copy if you have not

already. In the meantime, I hope that this conversation is equipping and empowering. I know you're going to find it helpful. Frank, it is so great to have you back on the show. And I say back on the show because you were with me a couple of years ago. And we did an episode together that was called Understanding and Responding to Transgender Ideology. I don't know if I ever told you this, but to this day,

it is the second most popular episode of all time on my podcast. So no pressure, but I am

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