CTP 013 - 3rd person in the room - 19 Propositions - Metaphor and Simile and Counselling Philosophy

Counselling Tutor podcast

Kenneth Kelly

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4.8 • 657 Ratings

🗓️ 14 May 2016

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

n this weeks episode of the Counselling Tutor podcast Rory and Ken explore the effect of having interpreters or careers in the counselling relationship. Rory digs deep into Carl Rogers' 19 Propositions while Ken speaks about Metaphor and Simile in the therapeutic relationship. We end with a debate about your philosophy of counselling and how this affects your practice going forward.

3rd Person in the Room

How would you work with a client who has an interpreter or carer who needs to be in the room?

Having someone other than the client in the counselling relationship poses certain challenges.

We need to be mindful at contracting stage that the contract needs to cover all parties in the therapy room.

Confidentiality is tricky and dependent on the professionalism of the interpreter. As counsellors we train and understand why the clients confidentiality is important however this may not be true of carers or interpreters.

The main consideration is the clients content that the carer or interpreter by present and I feel that the client should be explained the risks as far as confidentiality goes.

Recording clients therapeutic sessions can also be viewed as having a third person in the room.

Carl Rorgers' Nineteen Propositions Part 02

Rory picks up where part 01 left off and examines the remaining of the Nineteen Propositions

Simile and Metaphor in Counselling

In skills with Ken we speak about how powerful metaphor can be in counselling. Ken explains the difference between metaphor and simile where we might see them present within our therapeutic relationship with a client.

Metaphorical language is a cultural understanding between people using pictorial type words or sentences. Metaphor in counselling ties into empathy. The client perceives there is a shared understanding and this can take the therapeutic relationship to a deeper level.

We discuss the dangers of looking at metaphor from our own self constructs and how we should always check our understanding to make sure we are in the clients frame of reference.

Philosophy in Counselling

Your philosophical views are individual and will make you an individual counsellor. Rory and Ken debate how personal philosophy guides practice and how this can change over the years.

Transcript

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Counseling Tutor Podcast, the must listen to podcast for students of counselling and psychotherapy.
0:10.6	Here are your hosts, Rory Lee's Oaks and Ken Kelly.
0:15.7	Hello and welcome to the counselling tutor podcast with me, Rory Lee's Oaks.
0:19.9	And with me, as always, is my fellow wingman and journeyman in the world of counselling psychotherapy, Mr. Ken Kelly. How are you doing, Ken? Oh, I'm doing very well. And you know what? I'm going to hit this back to you, because you're always asking how I'm doing. How are you doing, Rory? I've got a cough. I've swallowed a raisin.
0:44.6	I've just been having a biscuit in the studio and it's stuck. So, yeah, so yes, but I'm fine.
0:48.4	And thank you for asking. Thank you so much for asking. Very grateful. I'm okay,
1:33.1	part of the raisin issue. It's great to be here. We have a really good action-packed episode for you today as well. We're going to be kicking off with a bit of a debate and we're going to be speaking about the third person in the room. Again, this has come from our Facebook page. If you're not a member of the counselling tutor Facebook page, go on Facebook, put in the word counselling tutor. We're right there at the top. You knock on the door, we're going to let you in. Lots of questions, lots of support from fellow learners, from tutors, from all around the world. So we highly recommend that you come and join us there. The third person in the room is when you're counselling, and there's somebody else there, somebody else in the room. So we're going to be debating that in just a moment. Rory is going to be treating us today to an introduction to the 19 propositions. This is a tough bit of theory that I know learners really struggle with. And Rory has got some great ways of describing
1:38.4	and explaining this. He's going to be bringing that today in theory with Rory. Going into skills,
1:43.3	we're going to be looking at working with metaphor into skills, we're going to be looking at
1:44.4	working with metaphor, and then we're going to be going into Ask Ken and Rory, where we're going
1:49.3	to be looking at what your philosophy to counselling is. Yeah, that sounds like a real action-packed
1:57.4	episode, and I really can't wait. I was desperately hoping to find a metaphor
2:01.9	there. I could link but I didn't, Ken. But yeah, so we're going to, you know, we're going to
2:09.3	a question asked by Anna Camila Lewis Brady. So someone else has got a double barrel name
2:15.5	apart from me, which is great. Basically, she says, hello there, fellow learners and qualified counsellors.
2:21.0	I'm working on essay about when it is permissible to have a third party in the room.
2:26.3	I'm referring to a third party stroke person in terms of a translator at a cultural agency
2:31.9	when the client speaks no English or a guide dog, a signer, for example.
2:36.7	She goes on to say, I found out at college last week that the only time a client is permitted
2:41.3	to have a chaperone to accompany them is in bereavement counselling.
2:45.3	And this can be for the first session only.
2:48.8	So this is a really interesting debate, isn't it? Oh yes. Oh yes. And it comes up again
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