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Counselling Tutor

013 – Third Person in the Room – 19 Propositions 1 – Simile and Metaphor – Personal Philosophy in Counselling

Counselling Tutor

Ken Kelly and Rory Lees-Oakes

Education, Courses

4.6636 Ratings

🗓️ 14 May 2016

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

In episode 13 of the Counselling Tutor Podcast, Rory Lees-Oakes and Ken Kelly discuss the 'third person in the room'. 'Theory with Rory' introduces Carl Rogers' 19 propositions, and Ken looks at working with imagery. Last, Ken and Rory ask: what is your counselling philosophy? The Third Person in the Room When is it permissible to have a third person in the room? For example, a client might need an interpreter (when the counsellor and client do not share a language, including sign language). It is vital that clients have the support they need, but interpreters should be professional ones (not friends or relatives). Do make a written note of the identity of any interpreter, and their relationship to the client. Rory and Ken discuss the implications for contracting and confidentiality, and the importance of clarity in the counsellor's language when this is to be interpreted. They also examine what to do if an anxious client wishes to bring a friend, relative or support worker into the first session. Other forms of the third person in the room are: guide dogs - do remember not to pet these, as they are working dogs the 'invisible' third person - that is, an electronic device, when audio-recording client sessions. Rogers' 19 Propositions 1 The 19 propositions stand alongside the seven stages of process, and the six necessary and sufficient conditions, to form the three pillars of Rogers' theory of person-centred counselling. The 19 propositions are complex to read and understand, being written in 1950s' philosophical language. Roy decodes these, making them accessible and comprehensible. First presented in 1951 in Rogers' book Client-Centered Therapy, the 19 propositions are based on phenomenology. In this podcast, Rory decodes propositions 1 to 8 (which become incrementally more complex): I make sense of myself, others and my world based on my own consistently changing experience. My sense of reality is unique, formed out of what I experience, and how I process and understand my experience. My entire way of being and doing arises out of my personal sense of reality. Part of my reality is my sense of self. My sense of self arises from my experiences and perceptions, especially from comparing myself with others, and from the opinions and judgements of others as I perceive them. My sense of self is fluid but includes consistent perceptions. I attach values to these perceptions. I have an innate impulse to care for myself, heal and grow. This includes seeking to keep myself safe and intact, and to realise my inner potential, becoming who I am capable of being. You can adequately understand my behaviour only through understanding how I see myself and others in the world. I behave as I do in order to meet my needs, as I experience and perceive them, and as I experience and perceive reality. Rory illustrates each of these with real-life examples. Simile and Metaphor in Counselling Imagery can be very powerful in counselling. This includes both simile (when we compare things using the word like or as) and metaphor (when we compare things by saying one thing literally is another). For example, 'I feel like a caged animal' is a simile, while 'I have a knot in my stomach' is a metaphor. Ken explains where we might see imagery present within our therapeutic relationship with a client. Imagery is a cultural understanding between people using pictorial, evocative language. Imagery in counselling ties into empathy. The client perceives there is a shared understanding, and this can take the therapeutic relationship to a deeper level. We discuss the dangers of looking at imagery from our own self-concept, and how we should always check our understanding to ensure we are in the client's frame of reference. Personal Philosophy in Counselling Each counsellor's philosophical views are individual; Rogers observed that the person-centred approach is as...

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Counseling Tutor Podcast, the must listen to podcast for students of counselling and psychotherapy.

0:10.6

Here are your hosts, Rory Lee's Oaks and Ken Kelly.

0:15.7

Hello and welcome to the counselling tutor podcast with me, Rory Lee's Oaks.

0:19.9

And with me, as always, is my fellow wingman and journeyman in the world of counselling

0:25.7

psychotherapy, Mr. Ken Kelly.

0:27.7

How are you doing, Ken?

0:28.5

Oh, I'm doing very well.

0:29.6

And you know what?

0:30.2

I'm going to hit this back to you, because you're always asking how I'm doing.

0:33.5

How are you doing, Rory?

0:35.2

I've got a cough.

0:36.4

I've swallowed a raisin.

0:44.6

I've just been having a biscuit in the studio and it's stuck. So, yeah, so yes, but I'm fine.

0:48.4

And thank you for asking. Thank you so much for asking. Very grateful. I'm okay,

1:12.3

part of the raisin issue. It's great to be here. We have a really good action-packed episode for you today as well. We're going to be kicking off with a bit of a debate and we're going to be speaking about the third person in the room. Again, this has come from our Facebook page. If you're not a member of the counselling tutor Facebook page, go on Facebook, put in the word counselling tutor. We're right there at the top. You knock on the door, we're going to let you in.

1:17.5

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1:19.6

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1:24.5

The third person in the room is when you're counselling, and there's somebody else there, somebody else in the room.

1:33.1

So we're going to be debating that in just a moment. Rory is going to be treating us today to an introduction to the 19 propositions. This is a tough bit of theory that I know learners really struggle with. And Rory has got some great ways of describing

1:38.4

and explaining this. He's going to be bringing that today in theory with Rory. Going into skills,

1:43.3

we're going to be looking at working with metaphor into skills, we're going to be looking at

1:44.4

working with metaphor, and then we're going to be going into Ask Ken and Rory, where we're going

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