Hello and welcome to How To Be Fine. I'm Kristen Meinser.

And I'm Jolenta Greenberg. In each episode of How To Be Fine, we weigh in on what's happening

in the world of happiness, health and betterment, and we offer a bit of advice for those of

you who want it.

Now full disclosure, we're not psychiatrist, psychologist, therapist, but we are experienced

self-help critics. We've lived by the rules of nearly 100 self-help books for our other

podcasts by the book. So we've tried on almost every kind of wellness trend out there.

And besides, we're not here promising to make you the best, richest, happiest version

of yourself. Like if all goes well, we're here to help you get a little closer to fine.

Alrighty, Jolenta. We have a couple of great advice letters to get to later in the show,

but first, as usual, let's kick things off with our hot topic.

Oh, yeah. Today's hot topic is a doozy. Kristen, it is the crunchy two anti-vax pipeline.

Ooh, I love a good pipeline. Mm-hmm. A little disclaimer here. I care about this topic a lot

because as by the book listeners, no, I have lupus, which means I'm immunocompromised and I take

immunosuppressants. So I can get that lupus into remission. This also means that vaccinations

are really important to me because they curb circulation of all sorts of things that I am more

susceptible to even after I've been vaccinated myself. For example, I almost always get the flu,

every flu season, even after a flu shot. But if a lot of people around me get the flu shot and

don't get the flu, then I don't get the flu. So I love vaccines. They help me stay alive and healthy.

That is what we call herd immunity. And I heard what you said there. And I seconded everything,

Jolanda. We got to herd herd jokes. So to see that coming in my little way, but I did not.

I also have to say, I have a big place in my heart for crunchy parents. I grew up in Portland,

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