Crockett Not Supporting Talarico? Plus, Estelle on the Art of Being a Humble Star

Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay

The Ringer

Society & Culture

4.7 • 11.6K Ratings

🗓️ 23 June 2026

⏱️ 151 minutes

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Summary

Van and Rachel react to questions about Representative Jasmine Crockett’s support of her former opponent James Talarico before Van makes a connection between geopolitics and ‘The Wire.’ They also hit a couple of sports topics and SZA’s anti-AI stance before the multi-hyphenate Estelle joins the show. (0:00) Intro (13:11) Jasmine Crockett, James Talarico, and party unity (35:10) The Iran conflict and ‘The Wire’ (1:01:19) Bill Maher and the Obama Presidential Library (1:16:32) New York Knicks headed to the White House (1:26:13) Wholesome World Cup content (1:33:48) SZA and the dangers of AI (1:45:27) Estelle joins the show Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Estelle Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Jade Whaley Social Producer: Bernard Moore Video Supervision: Chris Thomas Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Yo, yo, yo, Thought Warriors.
0:10.0	What is up?
0:11.0	Higher Learning is on, is I, Van Lakein Jr.
0:13.0	And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay.
0:15.0	I haven't really checked the way this looks.
0:17.0	Yeah, I've tried to tell you about it when I saw you in the hall.
0:19.0	Can we get a zoom in on Vance Hat just so everybody knows? Julie on the Hat. It doesn't say what they think it says? What does it say? A red hat with white riding. From a distance, I will walk across the other side of the street. Oh, that's right. Hey, I didn't even think about that when the guy gave me the hat. It's the only thing I think of when I see Red Hat now. So I was driving into work this morning.
0:39.3	I was driving hats now. So I, I was driving into work this morning.
0:41.3	I was driving down Melrose and I saw a gentleman
0:43.7	and he set up, I was driving up
0:46.4	and I saw he had set up a, he was recording
0:48.8	and he had a microphone.
0:50.7	And he had a hat company,
0:52.6	the hat company was because it's IFW.
0:55.2	And it says, I am forever with you. And I was like, that's a great message. I talked him for a second. He's like, yeah, I know you, whatever, whatever. And I was like, yeah, man, give me a hat. I'll support you. I'll wear it on the show. And so he gave me the hat. But I didn't even think about it. Come in other colors?
1:10.8	I think that it comes another.
1:12.2	Okay, great.
1:13.0	As we're advertising for him, it does come another color. and so he gave me the hat. But I didn't even think about it. Does it come in other colors?
1:12.1	I think that it comes another.
1:27.8	Okay, great. As we're advertising for him, it does come in other colors so people can get it. I don't want them to think that that's the only option. So funny, we come into work two different ways. You came into work and had time to stop and have a conversation with someone. Because I get here an hour and a half a way. I only have time to get here.
1:28.2	Right.
1:31.2	I only have time to get here. Right. I only have time to get here. Yeah, I get here early. I get here early. I get here. I wake up early. I'm up super early. But I like to enjoy my morning. I'm a single mom who works two jobs. I got a lot to do in the morning by myself.
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