Well, hello everybody.

Welcome to fringe Rose pricks, but this is our, our cringe episode where we talk about things that are

not always cringe sometimes. Sometimes it's a sliding scale, sometimes more than other times.

But today we are joined, and I'm just going to get right into it because we have a lot to talk

about. And we don't often have guests. I mean, really, we're very, what would you

say? Like, we're really careful of who we have on because like, only people were excited about.

Only people were excited about are people that, you know, are yeah, are interesting and cool.

Thanks, Louise. We have our old friend, Louise Planker. I'm saying that right, right? Who, as I said just now,

before we started actually recording, was she was literally the first person I've ever known to

have a podcast. She was way ahead. She's very, very big in the space, but she was the first person

that was like on air doing podcasts. Well, none of us even knew what that was. But in addition to that, Louise was also a witness at the Michael Jackson trial, which is an amazing story. I don't know. I guess I want to just dive right into that. I know you worked or you did something with the Boys and girls club right is that how you got linked

into the michael jackson of it all or the way that i got the idea that you that working with kids

and teaching them stand-up comedy was was you know sort of a good exercise for them in terms of

self-esteem and public speaking creative thinking etc but the way that I learned that was that Jamie Massada was having a Saturday program

at the Laugh Factory where he would bring inner city youth and teach them stand-up comedy.

So that is where I met the young accuser, the kid that would go on to become the young accuser.

But this was several years before that happened.

And it's kind of a...

Tell us about that.

Like, how did that go about as much as or little as you want to talk about?

I know we've talked about it many times.

But because, and the reason, you know, obviously it popped into all of our minds is

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