I am here with Dave Neal from Rush Hour. You don't even have to wonder. It's just it's in lights behind you. You're so profesh.

I'm trying my best. You're doing so great. Your name is everywhere. Is it? Yes. I needed this like

dopamine pickup. This is good. I turned my husband on to we're here. We want to talk about love trapped today.

I do, especially. I'm going to force you to talk about this. We have done an episode before where you

talked all about this whole case, the whole Clayton, like way back before it was even cool.

Oh, yeah. No, no, we've been here since day one. The first

news story that broke and we haven't let go of it. It's just, it's like one of those things I've

talked about this podcast in this crazy world for so long that I can always tell people like,

how much time do you have? I'll give you the five

minute or the five hour. Probably the longest I could probably talk about this if there were some

sort of weird Guinness Book record is probably 60 to 75 hours of straight, like not even

repeating myself just craziness. And that's why the love trap podcast could only do, I think,

12 episodes. So they could only skim the surface. So I turned my husband on to the podcast. I was like,

you don't understand. This thing is crazy. This woman is crazy. My husband likes stuff like Scamanda.

He likes that kind of thing. So I turned him on to it and he started listening to it on his own.

You know, we listened to like an I started it over from the beginning. I'm versed, you know,

and then he started listening to it on his own. And then he was finding excuses. He was like doing the

dishes. I just got to listen to another episode of this podcast. So it was funny because he was like, I have questions. Well, it's fun to see where people are at because you'll see the hypotheticals play over and over. Well, she didn't even have sex with him. And what about? And it's like, oh, man, it's just cute. It's cute to be like, oh, what level are you on? Yeah. And it's and it's, and it's, um, you know, it's, you could make the argument that if,

if people keep looking into her, there might be even more seasons of, of stuff we don't even

know about yet.

So let me go back, because I already knew the story.

And I do think that a lot of people's first reaction would be if he really didn't have sex with her.

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