You had a healthy children who didn't step foot in a classroom for more than a year.

Some of them more than a year and a half.

While at the same time, adults could go to a restaurant, they could have a glass of wine at a bar,

casinos were open.

What kind of country does that to their kids?

And that's the question that I try to answer in the book,

is I try to, it's not about placing blame, but I try to show how did the gears of society turn

behind the scenes? It's sort of, to use a medical term, it's like an anatomy of decision making.

How is it that a decision so absurd, so radical, happened? Because I feel like

we haven't, and you can tell me if you disagree, I feel like we as a country haven't reckoned with

this, that we did this to so many kids. And we can discuss some of the harms that came to a lot of

these kids. But this is an extraordinary thing we went to. And I feel like to a

large degree, it's just been dropped down a memory hole. Welcome to culture and Christianity.

We've got a guest that you're going to enjoy this discussion. It has rekindled a lot of things in me, a lot of memories.

He wrote a book called An Abundance of Caution, David Zweig.

He is an investigative journalist.

But he took a deep dive into a lot of data around the pandemic in 2020.

And what caught my attention was the title of his book, An Abundance of Caution, because it was the line that we were all using and trying to make decisions. You know, and in real time, what it revealed to me is we don't lead our lives typically with an abundance of caution. If we did, we'd never get in a boat again. Most of us wouldn't get on a plane again. We certainly would never go hunting again.

Or a lot of the things, we probably wouldn't put our kids to take our kids to the carnival or to the state.

I mean, a lot of things we wouldn't do.

But it was a line that was heavily leveraged through the pandemic.

You know, hindsight has always has so much more clarity.

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