This is culture and Christianity. Our goal is to understand how we live our faith outside of the church building.

It can be encouraged in the church, strengthened of the church, informed in the church, but ultimately the revelation of what we believe in who we are is whom we're not at church.

And so that's the point of this podcast believe in who we are is whom we're not at church. And so that's the

point of this podcast. I traveled recently out to Phoenix actually to sit down with my friend

Charlie Kirk in a public setting. It was a public meeting to talk about in my new book, Angels,

Demons, and You. Charlie, I wonder if we could sit down and talk about that in front of a live audience,

and so we did that.

You may notice that the quality is a little different than what we do in a studio.

It's because we weren't in the studio.

But I believe the audio is more than clear enough.

You can hear it.

And if it's a bit grainy with the video, that probably is to my benefit.

So I think you'll enjoy the conversation.

I'll tell you, one of my takeaways, you know, when we were all done is, I think many of you

probably know Charlie Kirk and the hard work he's done and the important work he's done on

our college campuses and a voice into the lives of our young people for a more conservative

worldview, even biblical

worldview, I would say. But I said yes to the opportunity because I think it's important,

and I know Charlie and I both agree on this point, that the spiritual formation of our lives is

really what is expressed in the culture. You know, culture doesn't begin with political,

with labels of conservative and liberal or progressive or Democrat or Republican. The culture is a

reflection of the moral fabric of the people. And so that biblical worldview is essential if our

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