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Behind the Knife, The Surgery Podcast, where we take a behind the scenes intimate look at

surgery from leaders in the field. Welcome back to Behind the Knife and our COVID-19 coverage. With us today we have Dr. Peter

Angelos. He is the Linda Kohler-Anderson professor of surgery at the University of Chicago.

He is Chief of Endocrine Surgery.

And he's also the Associate Director

of the McLean Center for Clinical Medical Ethics.

And that's what we're gonna base our discussion around today is on the ethics in this time of the pandemic.

Thank you for joining us, Dr. Angelos.

Oh, it's pleasure. Thank you.

So let's jump right into what we wanted to talk about. There's been a lot of discussion with, you know, ethical and moral considerations during this time of the pandemic and you know with people sharing

ventilators and with physicians not having PPE. So basically the first question to

start kick off this discussion how does the ethical basis of medical decision

making in times of the scarcity of resources as we have now defer from times of the

usual medical care when we have all the supplies we need.

Yes, it's a great question. I think it's probably the single most fundamental ethical change is that the way we in the

U.S. and probably most of Western medicine has focused on making decisions for patients on the basis of what's best for the patient.

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