Welcome back to the Sensible Medicine Podcast. I'm joined with my friend and colleague, Dr. John

Mandrola. He's a electrophysiologist based in Louisville, Kentucky, a practicing cardiologist,

and you will know him from the podcast this week in cardiology. John, it's great to see you. It's great to see you.

Good to see you, Vinay. It's good

to be back again. We're both sipping wine. It's an evening time here in Sunday and you're

sipping a white wine from Portugal. I'm sipping a Spanish wine. It's nice to get some of the

old world wines over here, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, I like to drink a wine from the regions that I visited, and this white from Portugal is beautiful.

Well, don't you believe the new study that shows that any alcohol consumption is bad for your health?

John, how come you're not teetotaling? What's going on?

Oh, then I, you know, I mean, it's all about, it's all about risk.

If I wanted to live along, I would ride my bike trainer.

I wouldn't take my, I wouldn't take my canyon arrow road out for a ride on the road, so yes.

So you'd ride your trainer in your house with your helmet on and you'd only drive 35 miles an hour.

I mean, it is safer. It's safer.

I have had patients fall off trainers, so it's not impossible.

You're right. You have to wear a harness on your trainer, of course.

But, you know, it's an interesting thing about alcohol, which is that I was just talking about it

with some colleagues in epidemiology. I was giving a talk to my department on Friday. And I was just

pointing out that it's the only type of research where you lump, you know, a fine Italian burolo

with Mad Dog 2020 and they both count as one drink. And it's so ridiculous to think that those are

equivalent substances. So, you know, the whole literature is just garbage.

But let's set that aside.

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