What up guys welcome back to part 2 of this episode of Women of Impact with the cold case investigator Paul Holes

where we continue into deep dive into how dangerous manipulators and predators hide in plain sight and you subtle everyday behaviours to manipulate and patrol you without even realizing it. Now Paul who was the mastermind behind capturing the golden steak killer who went undetected for over 40 years is breaking down exactly what these predators and manipulators

and dangers. capturing the Golden State Killer who went undetected for over 40 years is breaking down exactly what these predators and manipulators and dangerous offenders do to fly under the radar. And he breaks down the subtle signs that you need to be looking out for so that you can spot their manipulation before it actually gets too late and they have you under their control. which unfortunately Paul has seen way too many times

being a cold case investigator.

So let's dive in with the expert who knows exactly how to spot danger that's hiding in

plain sight.

I'm Lisa Bilyu, welcome to Wunufinbacked.

One question actually I'd love to go back to, so when you were talking about how you were

starting to put together what were lies, right?

So it's like, oh, he wasn't driving a van, he was probably driving a motorcycle. How did you start to look at that and decipher what was true, what was him trying to put a diversion, or what was a slip up? Much of what was determined to be misdirecting statements weren't obvious upfront until we identified the Angelo and as an example he makes a statement to one couple about when I was in the army, right? And so if he's misdirecting as far as possible, I'm thinking, okay, he wasn't military. That's kind of where I took it. Well, we arrest the Angelo and he was in the military, but he was in the Navy. And what's the biggest rivalry in the military? Army versus Navy. So he was trying to pin this on an Army guy when he's out of the Navy. So something like that, you know, upfront, I wouldn't know as to is he lying or not. But pretty much once I saw him with these, where he is feeding details about himself to the victims, being in Bakersfield, being in the army as an example, I'll take you down to the, you know, the American river, I'll take you down to the river, and they'll never find your body.

Those are the types of statements you'd make,

whereas it's like, okay, well, he knows the victims are gonna tell law enforcement this, why would he purposely say that once now I'm thinking, I'm dealing with somebody who's pretty intelligent here. So I pretty much said all the details that he's providing the victims that are about himself, They're all lies.

That's all misdirecting.

And so that's his opposite of what he's saying.

And that's pretty much what it turned out to be give or take. There was a case, it may have been a deAngelo, but once you found out who the predator was, you wanted to go and look at the house and their car. What on earth were you looking for in the house and car that would give you any information? I initially found out about Joseph D'Angelo from an email from one of the persons on the genealogy team, this Monica Chikowski out, Sack D'Aes office, amazing, amazing researcher, and she sends an email about this Auburn cop that popped up with Joseph D'Angelo while doing this genealogy process. And I remember looking at that, I don't see how a full-time cop could be the golden state killer with the extent of the crimes and everything else. But I eventually start digging into him and things start adding up, circumstances start adding up. And there was enough, in fact, the police chief out of Auburn back in 1979 that fired him for that shoplifting. I called that chief up, this Nick Willock. And he didn't know what case I was working, but I asked him to remember D'Angelo, and he said, oh, it's his sergeant one point. And then yeah, I was the police chief when he got caught stealing. And then when D'Angelo was placed on administrative leave, D'Angelo's rep during the arbitration, if you will, that happens, called up the police chief and said, well, D'Angelo is threatened to kill you. And I thought, well, that's how Golden State Killer would respond. But it's a contentious employer employee type type relationship, those types of threats often are made but are idle. But then the former police chief told me that while DiAngelo was on Admin leave, his daughter came into his room in the middle of the night said, daddy, there's a man standing outside my bedroom window shining a flashlight in. And Nick tells Paul, I there. I had a house brand new. There's no yard in the back. You know, it was all soiled. He could see shoe impressions all around the rear perimeter of the house. But whoever that man was was gone. But Nick told me I'm convinced that's DeAngelo. And I was like, that is what the Golden State Killer was doing. So now the the Angelo, and I'm skeptical, becomes a prime suspect. It's like, okay, I need to really drill down on this the Angelo and figure this out, because that's a behavior that I see the Golden State Killer doing, plus all these other circumstances. And so anytime I got a prime suspect, I always wanted to see where they're living. I wanted to go eyes on if I could, just from afar under surveillance, vehicles are driving just to kind of assess, you know, kind of their living environment. And drove up very last thing I did as a law enforcement officer was to drive up to the Anz. So I could see where he lived, because it was like a prime suspect.

And I parked on the curb across from the house. And his yard was immaculate. His car was super clean. Yeto and I was like, wow, vestidious. You know? Which was interesting because after he's arrested and I got inside his house, it was a pigstie. So interesting. So he's putting on a front, right?

This is a facade, yet internally. So the same thing, he's putting on a facade and how his interactions are with people, but internally, it's a whole different story. So that's an interesting aspect to him. But that was the reason. I just needed to see kind of a assess where he was at. And of course, it is to assess, okay, if we end up having to go under surveillance on this guy in order to get a DNA sample from him, what we call a seroptitious sample, what is the configuration of the neighborhood? Could this be accomplished here? But But then I thought what's likelihood that he's the guy I've been looking for for 24 years? And there's a chance, you know, and I drove away after that. That was the last thing I did. The next day I'm turning my badge and gun in. So it's all about timing. That's crazy that it's literally the day before. But the fascination that his house, the assessment of the outside and the inside of how much that also was an echo and a reflection of the way that he showed up, like that's so fascinating that the psychology of how he was echoed his living space. Because when I heard it, I was like, what difference would it make like looking at his house and car if you're about to get like potentially his DNA? But that's fascinating how it can echo in other ways that you don't necessarily expect. One of the things that D'Angelo would do when he'd take the woman victim out into the family room is this is Northernite old-style TVs. He would turn the TV on and typically at 2 a.m. it's just the static fuzz, right? Keep the sound completely off and have the TV on, but drape like a towel over the TV, so he had that soft glow so he could see the victim as he's sexually assaulting her. I walk into his bedroom after he's arrested and to the right. I'm standing in his bedroom doorway. To the right was his computer setup. He had a towel draped over the monitor and like he is setting up his room at night to relive that experience that he had back as the Easter Array Pist. He's still fantasizing, you know? And it was just like, oh, I know exactly what he's doing.

I've got so many crime scene photos showing that exact thing.

This is a behavior.

This is something that this is all part of fantasy.

And these guys will redo the same types of behaviors

over and over again because that's fantasy to them.

...