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I'm Kate Andrews.

Today's podcast features our panel, based around the world, who have selected a story that gives you an inside look at what's happening outside their windows.

Robin Doolittle is reporting from Canada and an investigative reporter for the Globe and Mail.

Jennifer Creary is reporting from Hong Kong and managing editor of the Hong Kong Free Press, and Frederick

Erickson is reporting from Sweden and the economist and director for ECIPE.

Robin will start with you. Thank you so much for joining us. You're the first journalist that

we've had on Coronomics from Canada,

so we're really excited for your update. Obviously, in the international press, a lot of the attention

goes to the United States for some pretty obvious reasons, including the leader at the moment,

and how the U.S. is fair during this pandemic. I'd say not as much attention is given to Canada. So I was excited

to see that the story that you've picked from your publication, The Globe and Mail, focuses

on what's been happening over the past few months in Canada, what's happened and also what's

gone wrong. So talk us through it. Sure. Well, I'm really excited to be the first Canadian on your show.

That's great. Yeah, I mean, you mentioned

the United States. And I think that's important because because of our proximity to the U.S.,

we spend so much time in Canada, kind of consumed with American news and comparing ourselves

to the United States. So from that perspective, I think there's some people that feel like,

hey, Canada's not doing so

bad overall. In our response, we've had, you know, more than 100,000 cases, a little over 8,500

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