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Science Vs

Coronavirus: Sweden Goes Rogue

Science Vs

Spotify Studios

Education, Science, Health & Fitness

4.412.4K Ratings

🗓️ 22 May 2020

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

While a lot of countries have put in strict measures, like lockdowns, to stop the coronavirus, there’s been a conspicuous outlier: Sweden. The country has carved a different path, trying to keep its hospitals from being overrun while allowing society to function as normally as possible. So, is the Swedish model working? To find out, we talk to medical epidemiologist Dr. Emma Frans, Professor Annelies Wilder-Smith, Dr. Gary Weissman, and Dr. Eric Schneider. Also: ANCHOVIES! Here’s a link to our transcript: https://bit.ly/2XiRsYT This episode was produced by Meryl Horn, Wendy Zukerman and Rose Rimler with help from Mathilde Urfalino, Michelle Dang, and Sinduja Srinivasan. We’re edited by Blythe Terrell with help from Caitlin Kenney. Fact checking by Diane Kelly. Mix and sound design by Peter Leonard. Music written by Peter Leonard, Marcus Bagala, Emma Munger, and Bobby Lord. A huge thanks to all the researchers we got in touch with for this episode, including Dr. Kirsty Short, Prof. Keith Humphreys, Prof. Paul Franks, Prof. Wouter Metsola van der Wijngaart, Assoc. Prof. Niclas Roxhed, Dr. Tobias Brett, AnnaSarra Carnahan, Dr. Alisdair Munro, Alessio Capobianco, and Dr. Mahshid Abir. All the folks in Sweden who helped us out including Johan Seidefors, Niklas Wahlén, Emil Sahlén, Amie Bramme, Dr. Arne Jonsson, Ann-Mari Darj, Shayan Effati, Erik Hedlund, Rebecca Heine, Srour Haddad, Harpa Kristinsdottir, Sven Larsson, Justinas Legas, Agnes Nygren, Lova Seidefors, Marcin Wolniewicz, John Kvarnefalk and Alexander Nordström. And special thanks to Christopher Suter, the Zukerman family and Joseph Lavelle Wilson. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi, I'm Wendy Zuckerman and you're listening to Science Vases from Gimlet.

0:04.3

So, for weeks, months, what is time anyway?

0:12.4

A lot of us have been twiddling our thumbs at home, doing puzzles, getting bored, and

0:17.8

mainly going out only for stuff like groceries.

0:21.7

All around the world, people have been doing this in China, in Italy, and yeah, here in New

0:26.5

York.

0:28.0

But from the beginning, there was one country that took a totally different approach here.

0:34.0

Sweden, Sweden, Sweden.

0:37.0

That's right.

0:38.0

While restaurants around the world shot it, we've been hearing that it's all meatballs and

0:42.9

fecal for the sweets.

0:45.0

Today, I actually went to a really nice lunch place.

0:48.5

Yeah, I've gone out to have a beer, and I've actually went to the movies as well.

0:53.0

Me and my family went to the swimming pool.

0:55.8

I went to a party with maybe 20 people.

0:58.9

I actually hugged quite a lot of people the last few weeks.

1:04.8

They never had a strict lockdown.

1:06.6

You can still go to parks and playgrounds, and kindergartens and elementary schools,

1:11.1

they never shot.

1:12.6

So, for kids over there, life sounds pretty normal.

1:16.5

They wake up, they go to school, I mean, I don't think that there are any changes.

1:21.5

My daughter is three years old.

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