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Back with another conversation episode.

Now you might have noticed that Tuesday this week was a conversation episode.

And that was on purpose because, well, the book that it was referencing, the white pedestal, you know, all about classics in white supremacy.

If you can believe it, like that was recorded a while ago.

But that book came out on Tuesday.

Do we all know what Tuesday was?

In any case, Tuesday had to be a conversation because it was simply too appropriate.

And then this week progressed.

And it became more appropriate. So today I am back with another episode, another conversation.

This time I spoke with Joshua Cannon, who teaches various topics in classics, has a background really

specifically, though, in Hittites, which is the ancient peoples of the Anatolia, Trojan, Troy,

generally area.

And so we talked a lot about that.

But specifically, Josh has written a book called The Fatal Second Helen.

And it is a book about the Iliad and war from the perspective of a veteran.

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