Conversations: White Ain't Right, How White Supremacy Uses Classics to Defend Bigotry with Curtis Dozier

Let's Talk About Myths, Baby! | Greek Mythology & the Ancient Mediterranean

Liv Albert

Comedy, Arts, History

4.8 • 5.5K Ratings

🗓️ 6 January 2026

⏱️ 86 minutes

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Liv speaks with classicist Curtis Dozier about the troubling (and tragically unsurprising) connections between the world's worst people (white supremacists) and ancient Greece and Rome. Learn more about the White Pedestal book and the Classical Controversies book mentioned. Submit your question for the next Q&A via email or a voice note. Get ad-free episodes and so, so much more, by subscribing to the Oracle Edition at patreon.com/mythsbaby

CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. I try to provide direct warnings when there is reference to anything with overtly traumatic themes but be aware that Greek mythology regularly features assault, death, and many other potentially triggering events.

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0:34.1	Thanks and happy listening.
1:01.1	Music description. Thanks and happy listening. Hey, hi, hello, all you. Hey, hi, hello, all you wonderful people today, instead of one of our normal Tuesday episodes,
1:18.2	we're actually having a fun little conversation episode.
1:22.0	I say fun.
1:23.3	It's not fun.
1:24.8	Well, it is fun.
1:25.6	It's interesting.
1:26.9	Today, Liv spoke with Curtis Dosier about his new book, The White Pedestal, how white nationalists use the classics to fuck shit up. Can you tell I don't have the book in front of me? Sorry. This is an important topic. I think we can all understand why, and it's amazing it's coming out on,
1:46.2	you know, January 6th of all days. But this is something I think we talk about a lot on the show,
1:53.4	but not in quite so much detail, not with somebody who has spent so much time with it. And it's
1:57.7	really important. And I find, you know, a lot of the criticism we get is if you care so
2:03.3	much about this stuff why are you criticizing it you know why are you pointing out like or saying that
2:09.0	like this is assault or like look how shitty and terrible these men are and you know why aren't you
2:14.1	in love with all of it well here's the thing everyone when love something, that's the thing you should be the most critical of.
2:21.7	When you love a topic such as classics or any topic, really, those are the things you need to be critical of and mindful of
2:30.8	and to pay attention to the way that they are being used and perceived by the wider
2:35.6	public or by specific small groups, hate groups that are getting bigger and bigger as the days go
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