Hello, I'm Dr. Stephen Hassan, and I'm absolutely delighted to have with me an old colleague.

Can I call you old?

Mick, you're not that old.

We've met before.

We've talked before.

You've interviewed me.

I've interviewed you.

We've done a blog.

And you authored a great book that I

highly recommend called Escaping the Rabbit Hole, How to Debunk Conspiracy Theory using

facts, logic, and respect. And you have a great website called Metabunk that I like to plug as well.

You are retired, because you're a genius, a video game programmer, and you were involved

with Tony Hawk's Pro Skater franchise, which allowed you to not worry about income, and you picked up this amazing hobby that I think

is helping endless amounts of people around the world to try to understand conspiracy theories

and like, how do you talk to people who have adopted some of these extreme beliefs in a way that works?

And one thing that I loved, and it's somewhat self-referencing, but I love your approach

because it mirrors my approach that you don't call the person names, you act respectfully

and be curious and ask them lots of

questions that stimulates them to question how they arrived at the beliefs that they've arrived at.

And if I remember correctly, Mick, you became a pilot and you heard about chemtrails,

and that was the beginning of this, this, I can't call it a hobby because it's too serious.

This avocation is out of a bit of a lot.

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