It's so easy when it's been a long exhausting day to just check out. It happened to me last night. We were both sitting on the sofa. We had done our nightly game of wortle and some laughs from a YouTube channel we like. And then, then the phones and the tablets. And it sort of like do you want to talk about anything

and no I just want to look at stuff so who who thinks that's a good plan I don't

know but I found myself doing that. So maybe that's you. I'm John Fuller joined by my focus colleagues,

Aaron and Greg Smalley, and I wonder Greg first, have you? And if you have, then second, how have you learned to be more disciplined with regards to the zone out and

veg out with a phone or a tablet or TV?

Yeah, I think it for me really starts with understanding the reality, you know, the work day can feel so long and

exhausting, especially doing podcasts with a colleague, I'm saying who.

Draining individual that I have to be with.

Just recognizing, right?

That takes a toll on all of us.

And what's really helped me is to develop some discipline around even how I begin to transition home.

For example, one of my routines is that before I leave my office, I tidy up my workspace, my desk.

And there's something that just signals to me

as I'm just doing a quick little clean

that I'm preparing myself to now walk to my car and to drive home.

So that begins the process.

Another one is is as I'm driving home.

I'll put on just praise and worship music or some sort of music. Music just for me has a way of

calming me, it begins to recharge me, it's filling me up, and so I really resist the urge to jump on another business call or anything of the or even as an

introvert even calling someone just to catch up as a friend that can be exhausting. I'm being mindful going okay just

tidied up my workspace I'm now driving home another routine that that helps me

kind of make that transition is to change out of my work clothes

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