I heard somewhere, and I think this is really true.

There's only three types of stories that people are interested in in the world.

It's the rise, the fall, and then the rise again after the fall.

And I am actually, like, really interested in the rise after the fall

because I think that that's, like, where we do our best learning

and things get really interesting and things get really weird and juicy and strange because the rise is great but it's like oh yay

wonderful easy not easy but you know it's neat okay we're rolling hi hello welcome back I'm doing this on a

video it's the first time and you know it may be the back. I'm doing this on a video. It's the first time and, you know, it may be the last, but I'm trying something new.

So thank you so much if you listened last week and found out about this new series that I'm doing called Comebacks.

This is the second episode of that series, and the guest is no other than Liz Tran.

And she's been on the show a couple times before. I'm a huge fan of her work. And I loved getting to talk to her again in this new format where, if you didn't listen last week,

we are walking through a specific comeback that someone has had in their life and focusing on the middle messy part of that.

And in this episode with Liz, she talks about a divorce, reinvention, dating, eventually

meeting her husband.

And they had this very, you'll heal here in a second, but they basically go on a cargo ship

like on their like third date and sail or sail a boat.

They travel together and that and it turns out they fell in love.

So you'll hear more about that.

And really we cover so much here.

I loved her newest book.

I loved her most recent book and the book before that.

And all of this is really about, you know, what it actually takes to rebuild your life after one version of yourself that you had planned isn't going to happen anymore.

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