The Art of Leadership Network. Carrie, I walked in one day and my son's girlfriend is my social media coordinator. My son works for our company and he was, he's doing sales and they were both not doing their jobs. So I walk in and I could tell right away, by the way, and my New Yorkness came out. And I can, the accountability came out. I said, I want you guys to know.

I love you guys.

I said, I love you.

You're my family?

But I will fire my family right now is what I said.

I will fire you guys.

Welcome to the Kerry Newhoff Leadership podcast.

It's Carrie here.

And I hope our time together today helps you thrive in life and leadership.

Well, who says we avoid tough issues?

Man, I get this question a lot.

You know, a lot of people use the metaphor of family for their staff.

Well, how do you fire someone when they're like family?

John Gordon has consulted with so many teams.

I mean, pro sports teams, corporate teams. And so we go there today

and draw on the wealth of knowledge that he is. I'm so excited to bring you this episode.

Welcome wherever you're listening from. Whatever you happen to be doing, I have been listening

a lot while I am doing yard work. We put in new gardens this year, largely because of an ice storm.

Anyway, and yeah, I've been listening while riding my bike too, trying to get back on my bike

after my illness. By the way, I'm going to give you a personal update on this podcast in a couple

of episodes and just really appreciate everybody who's reached out in prayers.

And these have been the most difficult 18 months of my adult life. And I'm going to share, well, maybe not the most, but like among them. I'm going to share it a little bit why with you very soon on the podcast. Don't worry, nothing's changing here. I'm not quitting. We're doing what we're doing. And we're having a great time. But yeah, sometimes you have to lead and persevere through a lot of

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