CNLP 751 | The 6 Surprising Traits of Sticky Sermons And Why Focusing On The Problem is the Wrong Approach—With Dan Heath
The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast
Carey Nieuwhof
4.8 • 2.2K Ratings
🗓️ 2 September 2025
⏱️ 75 minutes
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Summary
Dan Heath, author of Made to Stick, The Power of Moments, and other seminal leadership books, talks about the six surprising traits of sticky sermons, how to design church experiences people never forget, why focusing on the problem is the wrong approach to leadership, what he's learned from Chick-fil-A, and getting people to change.
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| 0:00.0 | The Art of Leadership Network. |
| 0:03.1 | Oh, I got a hot take for you here. |
| 0:04.7 | Great. Let's go. |
| 0:05.6 | Get ready. So here it is. I think the bad idea is that the essence of what leaders do is solve problems. |
| 0:13.9 | And I think that that's wrong. |
| 0:25.2 | Welcome to the Kerry Newhoff Leadership Podcast. It's Carrie here and I hope our time together today helps you thrive in life and leadership. Man, I am so excited to have Dan Heath on the podcast |
| 0:30.7 | today. I've been reading his books for a long time. We talk about that. My guess is a lot of you |
| 0:35.6 | have as well. And we are going to talk about, |
| 0:39.4 | well, how to make something sticky, right? You and I are communicators. How do you make sure that |
| 0:43.4 | people remember what you had to say? So we'll look at the six surprising traits of sticky |
| 0:47.7 | sermons and why focusing on the problem is the wrong approach. Dan is the number one New York |
| 0:53.1 | Times bestselling co-author or author of his |
| 0:56.1 | six beloved business books, Switch made to stick decisive the power of moments ups and his latest |
| 1:02.0 | book, Reset, which debuted in January of 2025. His books have been translated into 35 languages |
| 1:08.0 | and have sold over 4 million copies. |
| 1:14.8 | His writing honors include one of the best nonfiction books of the year, according to Amazon, |
| 1:20.1 | one of the best audio books of the year, according to Apple and the Owl Award for Best Business Book of the Year. |
| 1:21.0 | He also hosts a top five Apple careers podcast called What It's Like to Be, and in every episode. |
| 1:27.2 | He interviews someone from a |
| 1:28.2 | different profession, for example, a couples therapist, homicide detective, cattle rancher, and a whole lot |
| 1:32.7 | more holds an MBA from Harvard Business School and a BA from the University of Texas at Austin. |
| 1:38.5 | And hey, for those of you who are listening, well, you obviously never have video, but if you happen to |
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